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they tried to force the issue using the debt ceiling in 2011, using the fiscal cliff in january. i am as gung-ho as any of them to force obama into cutting spending. but it failed, and the reason is, you cannot govern from one house of the congress. that is the truth. i wrote a column this morning saying essentially, you have to recognize, you cannot use these things come up as in the end, you will have to cave. you will be humiliated and our ratings will be low, as you indicated, and you will not get the spending cuts anyway. certainly, i do not think the republican house will want to go over the cliff. >> the president of the united states has gone from dealing with the big problem that faces the whole country to try to destroy the republican party. this is exactly what the public does not want. we are turning into small, petty brinksmanship. let's see if we can crush the republican party. he has given up on the larger and more n >> i am not going to say who was right or wrong in the negotiations but the reason that this grand bargain has twice fallen through is that john boehn
they tried to force the issue using the debt ceiling in 2011, using the fiscal cliff in january. i am as gung-ho as any of them to force obama into cutting spending. but it failed, and the reason is, you cannot govern from one house of the congress. that is the truth. i wrote a column this morning saying essentially, you have to recognize, you cannot use these things come up as in the end, you will have to cave. you will be humiliated and our ratings will be low, as you indicated, and you will...
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the republicans determination to shut down government, to let the debt ceiling hang out, to risk a loss of credit, are they still on that same front? >> i think they are seeing the handwriting on the wall. when you look at these bipartisan votes, you have paul ryan voting for higher taxes. you have both ryan and rubio voting for immigration reform now. and i think you're going to see enough votes in the center to raise the debt ceiling without any kind of -- chris: are they jumping shark on this? >> i think so. i think the public is certainly sick of it. and i also think the business community doesn't want to hear anything about shutting down the government. chris: you're the expert. i real me mean this. people advise me on making financial decisions. they think the economy looks pretty good. don't mess it up. >> it does look pretty good, as best we can tell. the one thing to remember is it's not just the debt ceiling. it's these automatic cuts that are scheduled to take place march 16789 the debt ceiling isn't their only opportunity to try to get the president to agree to cuts. there a
the republicans determination to shut down government, to let the debt ceiling hang out, to risk a loss of credit, are they still on that same front? >> i think they are seeing the handwriting on the wall. when you look at these bipartisan votes, you have paul ryan voting for higher taxes. you have both ryan and rubio voting for immigration reform now. and i think you're going to see enough votes in the center to raise the debt ceiling without any kind of -- chris: are they jumping shark...
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have to get the debt down. the debt ceiling may get raised, but it's not being tackled long-term. >> it seems every single time consistently we get the opposite outcome. which means some areas are consistent and it raises debt levels going forward. >> it seems to me as though we can't fix this one because democratically it's not possible. why? because there are so many verses who are automatically vote to increase the debt because the number of people who own entitlements or benefits is relatively high. and i think you're seeing this failure both in the u.s., in germany and to an extent in the uk. >> the trouble is for all of those economies maybe some of the european ones are under pressure by the government. but the problem is, if you look at issues in the u.s., they're just so low. there's no ability to cut in the long-term. how do you push through entitlement reform and address those issues, especially if there's no market pressure right now? >> my sense is that you don't. i don't understand how that can be
have to get the debt down. the debt ceiling may get raised, but it's not being tackled long-term. >> it seems every single time consistently we get the opposite outcome. which means some areas are consistent and it raises debt levels going forward. >> it seems to me as though we can't fix this one because democratically it's not possible. why? because there are so many verses who are automatically vote to increase the debt because the number of people who own entitlements or...
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ceiling and the fiscal cliff winds down. cheryl: i'm sure there's a lot of investment banks right now in new york that are celebrating what you just said. we shall see. john, we will have more of your pick merck on thursday. merck's chairman and ceo will be sitting down with liz claman in davos switzerland, that interview is coming up later on this week. technology stocks took off last year. they've started off 2013 pretty strong, except for one name, apple. shares of apple this year have already fallen 6% in the first 13 trading days of the year. will the earnings report on wednesday be a turn around or will it send the stock going lower? plus will the rest of the sector follow its lead? we will have more on that coming up next. cheryl: business continues. investors gearing up for a big earnings week this week. tech giants apple and google both set to report. but let's take a look at some other major tech stocks that are in the green so far for the year. starting with some of the computer makers, fox business reported last
ceiling and the fiscal cliff winds down. cheryl: i'm sure there's a lot of investment banks right now in new york that are celebrating what you just said. we shall see. john, we will have more of your pick merck on thursday. merck's chairman and ceo will be sitting down with liz claman in davos switzerland, that interview is coming up later on this week. technology stocks took off last year. they've started off 2013 pretty strong, except for one name, apple. shares of apple this year have...
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on the debt ceiling which is that all of the talk about how crazy that position was and how dangerous it was, has in a weird way, made -- if they go forward and do the straightforward government shut down over the cr, for example -- >> the continuing resolution. >> right, less scary, less like a big deal and less, you know, nuclear than what was being discussed before and in a way they've kind of given themselves room to go bigger on some of these things than maybe they would have had before. >> chris: and, one thing i would say is there is a new realization by the house leadership and the house ment n mentione mentioned. mentioned... coming up, after the break, tougher gun control laws, will congress pass the president's new plan? >> chris: still to come, our power player of the week. >> when word gets out the president is coming to worship. >> chris: st. john's has been linked to presidents for almost two centuries. >> you almost feel like the church will tilt over on one side because there are so many people on that one side. ♪ >> president barack obama: most gun owners agree tha
on the debt ceiling which is that all of the talk about how crazy that position was and how dangerous it was, has in a weird way, made -- if they go forward and do the straightforward government shut down over the cr, for example -- >> the continuing resolution. >> right, less scary, less like a big deal and less, you know, nuclear than what was being discussed before and in a way they've kind of given themselves room to go bigger on some of these things than maybe they would have...
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i hope they delay the debt ceiling for three months and address spending in the house. that is what they will have to win. >>neil: they addressed that and they said earlier the move to delay the debt ceiling for another few months to me it seems like kicking the can down the road. i guess they think that maybe in that time they will get their act together but i am not so sure. >> i am not either, i am worried about the house of representatives. it is supposed to be the loyal opposition, and they supposed to compromise and work with the budget and work with the senate and make things happen but i worry very much if they retreat too far and collapse and cave. that would be a very major mistake to the united states. >>neil: quickly, art, did ronald reagan like the parades if maybe the second was indoors, everything was indoors that year, maybe the parade. but did he like the parades? that is something that comes with being a newly inaugurated president, did he enjoy it? >> he didn't enjoy the second. in 1985, it was the coldest year ever in history and it was amazing. no o
i hope they delay the debt ceiling for three months and address spending in the house. that is what they will have to win. >>neil: they addressed that and they said earlier the move to delay the debt ceiling for another few months to me it seems like kicking the can down the road. i guess they think that maybe in that time they will get their act together but i am not so sure. >> i am not either, i am worried about the house of representatives. it is supposed to be the loyal...
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ceiling. how he is putting his foot down and moving forward, all of the i shall shoes that we want to see changed. i think this is the time. we have a new president. and there's a song that says what are they doing in heaven today? and i'm sure dr. martin luther king, jr., today was cheering the watch party. >> the president, as we're speaking, you're seeing the president is leaving the viewing stand, the parade is over. and he is leaving the viewing stand. that's a live shot of the president and the vice president. leaving the viewing stand and shortly we'll go in and get prepared for the inaugural bats tonight. there will be two of them that the president has publically announced. he will attend the military ball and the regular presidential ball. governor rendell, you've watched and worked with presidents as governor, as the chair of the dnc. tell us from your vantage point the difference between president obama and 2009 and his first inaugural and the president obama we saw today? >> well,
ceiling. how he is putting his foot down and moving forward, all of the i shall shoes that we want to see changed. i think this is the time. we have a new president. and there's a song that says what are they doing in heaven today? and i'm sure dr. martin luther king, jr., today was cheering the watch party. >> the president, as we're speaking, you're seeing the president is leaving the viewing stand, the parade is over. and he is leaving the viewing stand. that's a live shot of the...
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one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. what do key republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive order approach a whole lot better than the legislative approach. you can't get all that foreign with executive order. you have to legislate and you have to legislate realistically. you have to realize you don't control the entire congress. >> republicans don't like that the president is converting his campaign apparatus into a purpose that helped him in his second term. they are thinking that is probably not a good sign in working in a bipartisan fashion. >> one area where they do not agree at all is over the budget. it>> it has been a source of problems when they work on critical issues and budget is a key c
one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. what do key republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive...
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. >> senator cruz, house republicans have taken a step back on this debt ceiling standoff. should it be raised. this is how "the new york times" described it over the weekend. i'll put it up on the screen and have you react to it. backing down from the hardline stance, house republicans said friday they would agree to lift the limit for three months with the requirement that both chambers of congress pass a budget in that time to clear the way for negotiations on long-term deficit reduction, to add muscle to the efforts to bring democrats to the table, they would include a provision in the debt ceiling legislation saying that lawmakers will not be paid if they do not pass a budget blueprint. was it right to step back from challenging the president over raising the debt ceiling? >> well, i think the house proposal is a step in the right direction. no doubt the senate hasn't done it's job. it's been nearly four years since it's passed a budget. but it doesn't go nearly far enough. we have a crisis. i just got back last week from afghanistan. and i had multiple servicemen and
. >> senator cruz, house republicans have taken a step back on this debt ceiling standoff. should it be raised. this is how "the new york times" described it over the weekend. i'll put it up on the screen and have you react to it. backing down from the hardline stance, house republicans said friday they would agree to lift the limit for three months with the requirement that both chambers of congress pass a budget in that time to clear the way for negotiations on long-term...
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, use the filibuster, use government shutdown, use the debt ceiling, use sequestration, any monkey wrench they can throw into the machinery they will throw into the machinery. that's a different faction than the republican party as it used to be and as in some cases it still is. >> yeah. well, chris, you know, it's interesting you said that because in talking to my -- a few of my republican friends as we left the inauguration, they were saying that they were a little tired of the tea party. these are republicans, a little tired of it, because these were friends of boehner. they felt that speaker boehner was doing a good job, but at the same time in trying to do some things with this president, i'm not talking about center, i'm talking about even right of center, and they were complaining after listening to the speech that there could be and should be more cooperation. but, again, you got about 50 tea partiers that are very active and very much to the far, far right. >> yeah. >> yeah, and they don't come to washington to listen or to meet anybody or to find common ground. they come here to
, use the filibuster, use government shutdown, use the debt ceiling, use sequestration, any monkey wrench they can throw into the machinery they will throw into the machinery. that's a different faction than the republican party as it used to be and as in some cases it still is. >> yeah. well, chris, you know, it's interesting you said that because in talking to my -- a few of my republican friends as we left the inauguration, they were saying that they were a little tired of the tea...
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they hope to get the ball rolling there and hope to continue that through the next round of debt ceiling talks. remember, neil, there are two issues that the rating agencies are looking for, they want an orderly increase of the debt ceiling. they say no strings attached. you go further down into those press releases and they are saying, we want a budget deal, this year, 2013. that is something that republicans are looking for and that is something they hope to secure out of all of this. neil: peter barnes, if you are still with me, too, i want to bring you into this. secretary of state hillary clinton with john kerry. there was a clear message in the president's remarks that, of course, the u.s. will always be involved, i am paraphrasing of course. there is clearly a pullback here. a mentality expressed by the likes of chuck hagel and, of course, john kerry that the u.s. should not be involved in each and every crisis that comes up. in other words republican critics will say surrounding that role to international agencies, united nations or europe, more to the point. the french wanting s
they hope to get the ball rolling there and hope to continue that through the next round of debt ceiling talks. remember, neil, there are two issues that the rating agencies are looking for, they want an orderly increase of the debt ceiling. they say no strings attached. you go further down into those press releases and they are saying, we want a budget deal, this year, 2013. that is something that republicans are looking for and that is something they hope to secure out of all of this. neil:...
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and then with the debt ceiling, same thing. i do think there's some evidence that republicans are saying, you know, in part for public image reasons but maybe in part because of good economic reasons, we can't keep whacking away at the economy like this to please our base we ha. >> it's not about the two parties necessarily shifting their philosophical positions or moving together but more of a practical decision by the house leadership to recognize the limits on what they can accomplish with the majority in the house and the limits in terms of the public support for their position. you know, one of the things, chuck, the president used the campaign to do was to try to lay out in front of the public the competing visions for approaches to economic growth and deficit reduction. he feels like he's been vindicated, and i think republicans in the votes that jared was just talking about str recognized he has a point. >> yeah, but, john, it all boils down to there's a very different vision when you're talking about a government that
and then with the debt ceiling, same thing. i do think there's some evidence that republicans are saying, you know, in part for public image reasons but maybe in part because of good economic reasons, we can't keep whacking away at the economy like this to please our base we ha. >> it's not about the two parties necessarily shifting their philosophical positions or moving together but more of a practical decision by the house leadership to recognize the limits on what they can accomplish...
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it has not gone completely shut down, so we may get at three month extension of the debt ceiling. extending that three months republicans are asking that congress pass a budget to be taken political aim at the u.s. senate because in the u.s. senate they have not passed a budget in a few years. with that they get democrats on the record and the senate with a budget which is something that had been hoping to do politically. they don't have any spending cuts as part of this. another part of this is that congress will get paid if they don't pass a budget. is knows that argument. there will be having budget fights every few months. >> something to look for too. thank you. melissa: just attending the inauguration this morning. lori: that's right. let's bring in lou dobbs listen to that speech this morning. >> the leader of this country for the previous four years. the welcome tone in many respects. in other respects it was confusing and confounding. suggesting that somehow -- he talked about one thing in particular, talking about self executing troops. we don't have any of those. there
it has not gone completely shut down, so we may get at three month extension of the debt ceiling. extending that three months republicans are asking that congress pass a budget to be taken political aim at the u.s. senate because in the u.s. senate they have not passed a budget in a few years. with that they get democrats on the record and the senate with a budget which is something that had been hoping to do politically. they don't have any spending cuts as part of this. another part of this...
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ceiling. >> was it compromise or just a strategy to move a bigger fight down the road? >> i think it's an indication, a telltale sign about where the republicans are. four years ago, when the president was making that speech, republicans were meeting at night. >> exactly. >> deciding how to defeat him when he won for re-election. they lost that, big time. he had a very robust electoral victory and significant popular vote victory. now the republicans are in disarray, trying to organize their party so they have a future. and they're going to have to deal with the reality of that as well. it is a party that is so broken into a lot of parts on the gop side and there's going to have to be a lot of mending down and more outreach as well. >> couple of key areas. the president has focused on energy independence. people close to him say that could be an unlikely bipartisan legacy for president obama and health care. party line vote, divided the country. implementation will be tough. he will have to spend a lot of time on it to see results. >> immigration was an area shown to be
ceiling. >> was it compromise or just a strategy to move a bigger fight down the road? >> i think it's an indication, a telltale sign about where the republicans are. four years ago, when the president was making that speech, republicans were meeting at night. >> exactly. >> deciding how to defeat him when he won for re-election. they lost that, big time. he had a very robust electoral victory and significant popular vote victory. now the republicans are in disarray,...
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ceiling temporarily. why would they do something like this, which might seem at first blush to be backing down. there were a couple of reasons, scott. first of all they looked at polling when they were out there at that retreat it looks like the polling that you were just talking about. it showed that americans by a pretty significant margin trust the president over house republicans when it comes to things like the deficit which is one of their signature issues. and spending and the economy. what republican leaders were trying to convey to some of their more junior members, perhaps who like the idea of really holding the white house's feet to the fire on issues like this, if we want to be seen as a governing party not just an opposition party that is constantly threatening to take the government in to a shutdown or default we are going to have to show that we are reasonable. and the fact is that they are going to hold this vote now and they still get another bite of the apple three months from now to try
ceiling temporarily. why would they do something like this, which might seem at first blush to be backing down. there were a couple of reasons, scott. first of all they looked at polling when they were out there at that retreat it looks like the polling that you were just talking about. it showed that americans by a pretty significant margin trust the president over house republicans when it comes to things like the deficit which is one of their signature issues. and spending and the economy....
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let the debt ceiling go because we're going to be blamed for the economic fallout. let's push that down the road kick the can down the road, as they say, and try to get some budget out of the senate and try to get some real spending cuts in the next three months. so paul ryan and others within the caucus are seeing a longer game here than is this freshman senator from texas. >> but if you ask paul ryan what he wants to do on gun control, he would say, i don't want to do anything on gun control. you've talked to moderate republicans -- >> what about registration? >> the only thing they might do is something on registration. >> background checks. >> that's it. no idea that you're banning weapons. no chance. >> registration is the worst. >> put it on tape. 5 0% chance it passes. >> good because hunters need 30 bullets. >> if you've seen a single republican say they support that -- >> a democratic lobbyist last night working on this very issue, he said we don't have the votes. that's now, and that is before the president goes outside with the outside game and tries to g
let the debt ceiling go because we're going to be blamed for the economic fallout. let's push that down the road kick the can down the road, as they say, and try to get some budget out of the senate and try to get some real spending cuts in the next three months. so paul ryan and others within the caucus are seeing a longer game here than is this freshman senator from texas. >> but if you ask paul ryan what he wants to do on gun control, he would say, i don't want to do anything on gun...
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. >> i, too, noticed those offers on things like the debt ceiling. but, general, what you've -- there's the real first couple of new york and washington, d.c. beyonce and jay-z entering. that will get a lot of attention. we just missed james taylor coming down the stairs. general, there's just flat out hatred out there, too. there is nastiness out there in the land. there's nastiness between these two parties. there's the president and mrs. carter. how do we fix that? let's especially go to the republican party. they've got -- they've been -- they've been caucusing. they've been quite literally in retreat these past few days. house republicans. what do they do to widen, if it is in their interests, widen their doorway to membership, to entry? >> well, as i've been saying and sat with david gregory the other day, the party is not where the american people have been in recent years. when you lose an election, you have 47% or 46% negative you better figure out what is wrong. for the last several weeks, a lot of people have been speaking to me. why didn'
. >> i, too, noticed those offers on things like the debt ceiling. but, general, what you've -- there's the real first couple of new york and washington, d.c. beyonce and jay-z entering. that will get a lot of attention. we just missed james taylor coming down the stairs. general, there's just flat out hatred out there, too. there is nastiness out there in the land. there's nastiness between these two parties. there's the president and mrs. carter. how do we fix that? let's especially go...